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livewholesalers
02-05-2007, 08:07 PM
Here is a good article regarding Wholesaler Forum Groups (http://www.janesdeals.com/wholesalerforums.asp)
Definitely an interesting page from someone who has a pretty controversial track record herself. For years I was a mod on the Wholesale411 4um, which changed hands and went to Hades in a handbasket after that. JanesDeals was a constant on the 4um, but probably had a 60% positive / 40% negative "feedback". There was no real feedback, just guaging from the negative vs positive replies.
While I'm sure that Anthony at the Wholesale Forum/UK appreciates the good mention, the fact is that Jane just showed up there a week, or so, ago, after the W411 4um was suddenly shut down without notice.
As is so often the case on the net, posting an article or a page does not make someone either an expert, or squeaky clean.
livewholesalers
02-23-2007, 11:33 PM
Definitely an interesting page from someone who has a pretty controversial track record herself. For years I was a mod on the Wholesale411 4um, which changed hands and went to Hades in a handbasket after that. JanesDeals was a constant on the 4um, but probably had a 60% positive / 40% negative "feedback". There was no real feedback, just guaging from the negative vs positive replies.
While I'm sure that Anthony at the Wholesale Forum/UK appreciates the good mention, the fact is that Jane just showed up there a week, or so, ago, after the W411 4um was suddenly shut down without notice.
As is so often the case on the net, posting an article or a page does not make someone either an expert, or squeaky clean.
Pete,
I am a long time student and fan of Jim Wilson who I admire. I find it hard to believe he would approve of your comments which to me sounded flaming.
Janesdeals has operated a very respectable and successful business since 1999.
Read The Testimonials:
http://www.janesdeals.com/testimonials.asp
In addition, Janesdeals received the expert writer status from the Review Team at Ezine Articles:
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert_bio=Jane_Rothman
If you were a moderator at the wholesale 411 forums, your background speaks for itself. It is my understanding that Liquidation.com and gowholesale did not want to continue the forum due to the way it was managed and run into the ground. It was an awful place where people bashed each other and criminals stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from innocent victims who were conned into wiring money to fake businesses posing as experts. The moderators seemed to enjoy the dog fight. I am assuming this is when you were involved as a moderator? When I was a paid advertiser on the wholesale411 forum there was NOT a feedback system so I guess you are making up these feedback results to damage Janesdeals, not surprised... I know the people at liquidation.com didn't want their name associated with the criminals that lurked around in the forum you moderated.
I don't make blind accusations, here is evidence:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff72003.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff73721.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=wholesale411&Search=Search
Hopefully the moderators here will take care of this situation.
First, I think I already mentioned that the W411 4um went way down after the original admin, neon, left and GoWholesale took over. And I only mentioned that JanesDeals was controversial. I am making no attempt to justify the last year or so of that forums existance. It was a joke.
But, if you want to post some links, there are a few remaining. These are from the before GoWholesale era.
http://64.106.135.158/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=53671
http://64.106.135.158/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=60844
I noticed that Jane was quick to look for help from the admin, as she usually is. It seems things are never her fault. Check out this from the DMOZ people, including an alledged bribe by Jane to get listed -
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9770
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9770&page=2
And this from here blaming DMOZ for ruining her life. -
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=238127
I could post some more, but won't. I think these point out exactly what I said, that she is controversial. I think she covers herself well, with her policy. I also think that what she does is not exactly generally accepted trade practices, which while clearly stated has a tendency to catch some people who do not read or understand each and every word by surprise.
One major point I do recall is complaints about seemingly excessive shipping charges. I do not know that they were true, but they were a constant topic.
I do not believe she is crooked or a scammer. I don't doubt her honesty. But I do believe she has a tendency to always view everything from a very narrow "what can I do to cover myself" perspective, ignoring the more positive "what can I do to make it right?"
And I have seen nothing to make her an authority on Wholesale Forums. And only mentioning two, one of which she is a paid advertiser on, seems a bit suspicious to me.
In fact, with your appeal to the moderators to delete my post, a very Jane-like move, I have to wonder a-if you are Jane or b-what your relationship to her is and c-why are you shilling for her?
livewholesalers
02-27-2007, 12:12 AM
Please report this person to the following:
Biz Gold Hosting
3112-C Broadway ST NE
Salem, OREGON 97303 US
Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043
phone: (650) 253-0000
fax: (650) 253-0001
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/
Sonon, Pete
psonon@cox.net
Turnkey Marketing Services
14862-B Warwick Blvd
Newport News, Virginia 23608
United States
(757) 874-3163
Website: www.cardconsultant.com
IP Address 64.91.226.94
Please demand the cease and desist of the ongoing slandering, harassment untrue comments on the Internet for the past three years.
I've always used my name. It doesn't seem as if you have used your real name here. Posting under a different name promoting your own site. And you call me a scumbag.
In fact, you make it sound like it took a lot of sleuthing, some real Dick Tracying, to find me, but simply clicking the link in my signature would have supplied about as much information. I've never hidden, either as a mod on the old W411 4um, nor now.
Instead of sending me email, just do what you have to do.
Talk is cheap.
Jane, now that I have taken the time to actually read what you wrote I will reply to your spurious charges.
I do not sell or even give away wholesale lists. I have no financial interests in either promoting or denouncing your business.
I have only recently post on this and one other forum my personal recollections of comments made by others.
I have stated publicly that I felt you were NOT a scammer and that you were honest.
I also stated that you seemed to have more positive responses than negative.
But that you were "controversial."
The intent of my posts, and I think this is clearly shown was that anyone wishing to do business with you should be aware that you had some unusual terms that were seemingly designed to protect you in any situation and that you had a habit of figuratively throwing up your hands and saying "Who me? Don't get me in the middle of this. Read the contract." if a buyer had a problem.
Again, I do not sell any lists of any sort. I do not have any associates of any sort, losers or otherwise.
In fact, I have stated numerous times, on numerous forums that I would never sell clothing, since there is too great a chance of fraud. In fact, I sell no physical products at this time, so there is no reason for me to do the following
"YES, YOU HAVE HURT ME BADLY. VERY BADLY. YOU HAVE TRIED TO DESTROY MY BUSINESS FOR YEARS TO STEAL MY CUSTOMERS AND TRAFFIC. BUT YOU COULDN'T, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRIED AND DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE I TREAT MY CUSTOMERS AS FAMILY AND FRIENDS. I AM FAIR. MY CUSTOMERS COME BACK OVER AND OVER AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER WIN THEM OVER. "
In fact, I have no desire to hurt you badly. It seems there may be some that do, but I'm not one of them. I only suggest that folks read and understand you specific contract, and that they further understand that it is designed exclusively to protect you and could very possibly leave them hanging in the wind.
I have no idea you have a number of satisfied, returning customers. As long as things go as they should you have a very good system. I would commend you for it. It is when things don't go as intended that you seem to hide behind your contract and let them suffer on their own.
As far as stalking, you are the one who sent me a personal email, telling me how you have "finally found me", no great task, since my address is shown anytime you click a signature link.
And while I am not licensed to practice any medical profession, I will make a personal suggestion that you see someone regarding your paranoia.
sprock
03-04-2007, 06:29 PM
Wow ... This is the second time I have heard JanesDeals mentioned in the last week ...
I remember JanesDeals as a very reputable website and have recommneded them to MANY of my memembers as a source for products to sell on eBay.
It has been a very long time since I have visited the site, but I still think JanesDeals runs a great site and service.
Good luck and I hope things go well for JanesDeals.
. . . Scott
homespunmoney
03-05-2007, 02:14 AM
Scott,
It's nice to know there is another side to this. Unfortunately livewholesalers did not do themselves any favors in this thread. They actually came off as a little bit unhinged.
That's something that always amazes me about internet forums/discussion boards. Folks come to these places and present themselves in the stragest manners. I'm always left wondering if they are like that "in person".
Cheers,
Chris
livewholesalers
03-06-2007, 10:18 AM
Wow ... This is the second time I have heard JanesDeals mentioned in the last week ...
I remember JanesDeals as a very reputable website and have recommneded them to MANY of my memembers as a source for products to sell on eBay.
It has been a very long time since I have visited the site, but I still think JanesDeals runs a great site and service.
Good luck and I hope things go well for JanesDeals.
. . . Scott
Hi Scott,
Hope all is well and thanks for the post. I remember you as a customer who purchased authentic Nike Sunglasses. Unfortunately, a few pathetic "affiliate marketing and dropshipping companies" have been using the Internet to slander my company for over 3 years. These guys are low life bottom feeders who profit from click-throughs and could care less about completing a successful transaction with a customer. None of these bozos have bought anything through Janesdeals. Their only motive is only to "steal my traffic".
The slandering has continued for at least three years now. Hiding behind fake screenames in forum groups they have bashed me without cause over and over and over. Hundreds of posts! Most were in the wholesale411 forum group that Pete moderated. Well, Ed was promoting his new wholesale stores and more concerned with his own pocketbook. Pete was a moderator at that time.
Like all typical criminals eventually one of them makes a dumb mistake. One of the perpetrators posted a Google Adwords Campaign titled "Warning: Janesdeals is a Scam!" Yes, the jerk paid google to run an ad to slander my good name. This ad was seen by thousands of people at the top of the Google page when searching for the keywords "janesdeals."
After three years the slandering, I was able to trace the google adword ad to:
Destefano, Nick
aka James Zubrant
1939 Alta Vista St.
Dubuque, Iowa 52001
United States
(563) 519-2151
Domain Name:
zoomreviews.com
dropshippingwholesalers.com
EWEBWORKS.COM
IP: 72.52.141.138
Todays Whois Info:
Registrant: dropshippingwholesalers.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
in 2004 whois info
Success Publications
Nick Destefano
595 W. 17th St.
Dubuque, IA 52001
Phone: 563-582-0779
Email: sales@estuffdirect.com
I have never heard of Nick Destefano. After further research he owns a dropshipping company and he sells the ebooks on how to get rich quick. http://scamreviewsites.com/nick_destefano.htm
Why target me??? He wants my traffic and my customers. If he can destroy my business by hiding behind fake screenames in forum groups making false statements, it costs him nothing. Just his time and my business.
Well I have a better idea of how Nick Destefano should spend "his time" but I will leave that up to our justice system.
I don't know the relationship between Pete Sonon and Nick Destefano other than both are lowlifes. Pete has never used Janesdeals and he claims to be in the hosting business so why does Pete spend so much time posting comments about Janesdeals?? All of this will come to light soon and Pete's time will not be slandering my company on the internet.
The Internet is a very Big Place and there is plenty of room for all of us but Small thinkers are always looking at their competitors instead of the Big Picture.
Big Thinkers join hands and look for new places and new ways to reach new customers.
I consider you a big thinker Scott, Thanks again for coming forward.
Here are some real testimonials from some of my real customers. It is going to take more of MY TIME to reverse the damage these cybercriminals have done. Please bear with me while I defend my business.
http://www.janesdeals.com/testimonials.asp
And if anyone would like a list of references, please contact me. Do not post lies about my company on the Internet or Post Google Adwords based on "gossip you heard from fake screenames in forum groups"- unless you want to see "my other Unhinged side".
Jane
http://www.janesdeals.com
http://www.wholesalerslive.com
http://www.scamreviewsites.com
Jane, as a moderator it was my duty to enforce the wishes of the forum owner, not my own. In fact, for the last year or so I was a moderator in name only. The people with Go Wholesale were sort of taking care of, or more properly ignoring, the forum.
I don't sell anything like you, I would not know how to steal traffic if someone pointed a gun at my head and until you started your crazy rants, have nothing against you, whatsoever.
Having said that, I still say that you were, and seemingly continue to be, controversial. Not because I want your sales, your traffic, your money or your lawyer, but simply because that is my observation over the years.
Not as a result of one or two posts by your competition, but from comments mainly from newbies or first time customers who felt they were not treated fairly.
At the same time, I do recognize that you have a number of well satisfied customers. I have never disputed that. But you have also had some dis-satisfied customers, often relating to shipping charges and the way you hide behind your policy when things go wrong.
I'm not out to get you. I could not care less how your business goes. But I do feel that newbies should be warned to make certain they understand every character in you policy and be aware that you use it to extricate yourself quickly when things don't go exactly as they should.
I don't know if you have been paying any attention to the "bad press" GoDaddy has been creating for itself here lately. They have pulled the plug on several accounts that were accused (incorrectly) of spamming. This was with no notification, simply shut them down first, ask questions later.
And just this past week they shut down a user and sold their domain name to someone on the backordered domains list. Why? The contact information was not current. Clearly a violation of ICANN rules, but there was little or no attempt fo contact their customer who had owned the domain name for years and had an active ecommerce site up and running.
In every case, just as with Janesdeals, they acted within their policy, but they could have gone a step or two more and done their customers and ultimately themselves some real service.
livewholesalers
03-06-2007, 02:03 PM
Pete,
You continue to lie and lie and lie.
You said
"I don't sell anything like you"
1. I am a registered service provider.
I DO NOT sell.
My company is registered here.
http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/j_agents.html
You say my customers are confiding in you that they were treated unfairly.
You are lying.
2. List the customers and I want names.
You also Said:
"you have also had some dis-satisfied customers, often relating to shipping charges
Another lie. We have had no shipping charge complaints.
List the names.
You said I hide behind your policy when things go wrong."
Hide behind my policy? Policies are to be followed. I run a sound business.
Pete, you are the only one hiding. Spending Time and more time hiding in these forums behind fake screenames. Trying to put down my name, my business and for what motive? It has to be money.
The wholesaleforum.uk.co has deleted several of your wrongful comments. You are a real sicko stalker like personality. Don't you have some type of computer tracking system that you use?
http://www.janesdeals.com/wholesalerforums.asp
Contact my atty if you have a problem. If you just want to slander me, then I will have him contact you.
Sorry, Jane. If you go back in Jim's archives, you'll find I've been coming here for years.
Same on the UK forum. I joined there May 30, 2005, long before you started actively posting here or there.
You are just way too paranoid.
And while you may not physically handle the goods, you specialize in brokering / selling / connecting buyer and seller in what would have to be called the clothing or apparel industry.
Other than as a consumer, I have no dealings whatsoever in that industry. There is no financial reason for me to do any of the things you accuse me of doing.
Further, I have never said any of your customers have confided anything to me. I have said several times that "as I recall, from postings on the W411 4um" or words to that affect.
I still have not heard from your lawyer. I thought the stormtroopers would have come through my door by now.
Maybe my "fake screen names" have something to do with it?? After all I do use the name "pete" and my domain whois info that you posted several days ago lists my name as "Pete". Oh what a scoundrel, not capitalizing my name, a true attempt to hide my identity. For shame!
I must admit there are times when I get to a forum and the username pete is taken. Oh, what to do? Someone has stolen my name! Well, since I am in Virginia, I will use the username peteVA. I've never had that one already in use.
But, I had not run into the prior use issue when I first came here, so I stick with pete.
I've never used anything else. No where, no time, no how! I have the strenght of my convictions to back me up and don't have any reason to hide. Unlike many in this world, I am NOT "all talk and no action." I say what I have to say and hide from no one. And my kneecaps are still intact.
However, you have made no comment on the fact that YOU came here and made a post under a different name, posting a link to a page proclaiming yourself an expert on Wholesale Forums, when all you did was list 2, one of which you are a paid advertiser with.
Talk about sneaky, underhanded duplicity, I'd say you need to look in a mirror.
livewholesalers
03-07-2007, 12:39 AM
I would feel foolish wasting any atty's time with this. How old are you, 14? Where are those customer names? Peter, take a hike ... Go find someone else to pester. bye bye
http://www.wholesalerslive.com
http://www.janesdeals.com/howitworks.asp (http://www.wholesalerslive.com)
-- Who is Pete? (The ex-mod)? See below: --
pete
Trader
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Yankee Land
Posts: 153
iTrader: (0)
________________________________________
I actually sell both through my own online sites and have kiosk in a major shopping mall. I actually do more volume at the mall.
In reality, I have my fingers in a number of pies, including a bit of income from affilate links.
I got on the net and started using dropshippers. And I also opened a kiosk in a local shopping mall, the premier one in an area of about 350,000 people. In the mall I sell mostly junk, knick-knacks, etc. A lot of incense and fragrance and body oils.
I sell dropshipped goods almost daily. This time of year is not good for it, but once things cool down a bit Christmas orders will come flowing in. I have paid about $ 400 to join one dropshipper and have spent about $ 90,000 with them over 5 years.
I've spent considerable time on this site www.smc-wholesale.com and have a couple of questions concerning keywords and duplicate content. The site is selling a number of similar products, ready-to-run web stores. they are all dropship related and any keyword that applies to one applies to all. Again, with the change of the product itself. So, am I going to have trouble with the search engines interperting this as duplication? And, on the home page and one other I used little arrow icons and dots by the subtitles and paragraphs. Is it safe to put alt tags on all of these little images, and if so, should I add them to all of the pages?So, all comments welcome. But keeping Google, Yahoo, et al happy is my main concern..
Here's an example from Wholesale 411, a respected source for looking for wholesalers and dropshippers. Under Gifts the first and third "non-featured" listings use the exact same dropshipper I use and mentioned above. But they are both calling themselves wholesalers and dropshippers.
You can get a little program that hides your affiliate link. It will give you a link that looks link any other, won't have the word hop or hoplink in it and won't have any numbers or codes (unless you want them).And, you can resell it, as I do. I can verify that it really works.http://www.sbfaq.com/ialm/
__________________
What a letdown!
After that long-winded email you sent me, threatening all sorts of legal action, I thought I was going to get on Judge Judy, or something.
As I suspected, all talk, no action.
sprock
03-09-2007, 05:25 PM
As a moderator myself it's always a tough spot whether or not to delete a thread like this.
In the mean time (until I can get a confirmation from Jim) I am going to close this thread with this warning to all parties involved.
This isn't the place to get into a war, it's counterproductive for everyone, I understand we're dealing with strong opinions but I think we all get the picture.
I too run a business where I have to deal with customers, and I too have been on the defensive end of defending my business and reputation, so I know exactly where Jane is coming from. However, I don't know if Pete has had that unfortunate of experiences and to assume he hasn't (judging by his actions in this) wouldn't be right of me either.
Many times I have been involved in disputes to defend my business and every time those against me seem to know how to push the right buttons and I always ended up looking like the ARSE ... it's very easy to loose composure and say things that you regret or come off sounding wrong when you are on the defense. I think people who push business owners into this type of situation KNOW what they are doing too.
I'm not saying Jane has went overboard, but only to draw attention to the fact that in past forum posts online perhaps she was pushed to far, but that doesn't mean she's doing bad business.
With that ... I want to say I have been a member of Jim's forum since the early days of Jim's website, and I have seen Pete around a lot and yes he is considered a regular here ...
HOWEVER ...
I do want to comment on the statement made by Pete regarding hiding behind policy ...
When you think about it ... where do policies come from ?? Where do the "WARNING" labels on products come from? ... They are put in place because somewhere along the line a business has had to deal with an issue that is addresses in the policy and has been BURNED in the process. The policy is then put in place as a protective measure against people taking advantage of the business.
I will be the first to attest that I deal with very ignorant people every day (notice I didn't say stupid, although I wonder sometimes) I deal with people who don't even read my auction descriptions, they don't even scroll into the description, they use the BIN button at the top and then complain later that the auction wasn't what they expected ... these same people then accuse me of being a scam or trying to rip them off, when all along they could have prevented the mistake with something as SIMPLE as reading.
To top things off ... if a customer comes to me and states they made a mistake and would like to know how we can work this out, I am all for refunding their money. On the other hand when I get people lashing out and making false accusations for a mistake they made I then stand behind my policy because I don't feel they have a right to push me around or hold a negative over my head as hostage.
Sooo .. I had to institute some strict policies to protect myself against people like this, and I too have people who get angry because I point them to my policy.
I also use Policy at TPRweb with a strict no refund policy, (as well as a chargeback policy that is a result of being burned), does that mean I NEVER refund a customer ... no way, I'm not unreasonable, but the policy is there should I need to use it if I feel I am being taken advantage of ...
Which brings me to my point ...
Jane is an upright business person as far as I'm concerned and YES she gets customers that are angry and probably couldn't be satisfied no matter what she does, (that's the nature of doing business) and because there is ALWAYS two sides to a story, and unless you KNOW both sides I feel it is wrong to pass judgement on the situation.
You know, I long for the day when I have enough customers to allow me to FIRE customers (at will) and to be honest I have done it to a few but there are a lot more that deserve the boot, but that shouldn't make me a bad business person just because I don't want to deal with people who ignore common sense and have unreasonable expectations.
Bottom line I think everyone needs to take a deep breath .... GOOOOOSFRABA .....
. . . Scott
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